Theism vs Atheism: the debate

[Kitteh]

I suppose you can already guess from the title that this debate is about the existence of god. I'm an atheist, and I'm not quiet about it. I guarantee there is no argument for god that I can't counter. So come on. What have you got?

[Pixels]

Well, this is more of an opinion than a debate. It's all about faith, but whatever.

Personally I do believe in god, because I was brought up for going to church and stuff. I bet there is stuff you can not counter :P But I'd rather keep this section cooled down. People tend to get really angry, and flame and grow hate on another.

But there is one question you cannot counter...
How did Nothing create intelligence? How did Nothing create? Evolutionists don't believe in "creation". How do you think a car is created? It doesn't just appear, you have to actually create it...
Nothing can just appear in reality.

Oh and...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWZ59qIwXGY

Pwned

[Kitteh]

I see you're going by the cause argument. So everything has to have a cause. Before I answer let me just ask:
If god created the universe, then what created god?
So why not just say that god is the exception to the cause argument? Well because if you say that god is the exception, then it begs the question, Why not just make the universe the exception?

I'll answer your question though:
The universe wasn't created from nothing. It was created by an explosion, caused by a primordial hot and dense condition over 13 billion years ago.

Pwned? I think not.

[Pixels]

I see you're going by the cause argument. So everything has to have a cause. Before I answer let me just ask:
If god created the universe, then what created god?
So why not just say that god is the exception to the cause argument? Well because if you say that god is the exception, then it begs the question, Why not just make the universe the exception?

I'll answer your question though:
The universe wasn't created from nothing. It was created by an explosion, caused by a primordial hot and dense condition over 13 billion years ago.

Pwned? I think not.

They recreated the big bang theory and it failed.
But you still haven't answered how this "big bang" has created intelligence... Why does every creature on this earth has its own special attribute. eg. An Eagle can zoom in. It's eyes are like camera lenses/binoculars.

Evolutionists don't believe in the Universal Flood. They have actually found Noah's ark in the Mongolian mountains. Trapped in ice, and only partially viewable by helicopter. Now how did a boat get in a mountain...?

In the Bible it says that there will be a One World Order.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CV8Xt2VWvc Care to explain?
Also to be in the political system, you have to be a free-mason, but that is only in the US and England. Most leaders of society's are free-masons, such as the pope, obama, Bush, Kevin Rudd, Tony Blair and practically every leader/politician in every country at the moment.
If you don't know what a free-mason is. Look it up, and as a matter of fact, they are THE MOST powerful society in the world. They run the media as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqwOFuHGnW4

Answer this: What is our purpose of living? We walk the earth, we make money, we make friends, we eat, we drink, we feel emotion...
What is the point in all that. Okay you live a great 80 years of your life. Then you die... Then what? What happens next, you die for ever. Wtf was the point in you livings?
There must be a purpose for living...

EDIT: Well I'll be prepared to ask god that later :P

[Kitteh]

I know about the free masons, I find them very interesting indeed.

I think that for the purpose of living, it's different for everybody. Like for me, it's do get the most out of any situation, and try not to be a twat at the same time.

Why does every creature on this earth has its own special attribute. eg. An Eagle can zoom in. It's eyes are like camera lenses/binoculars.

Well, an eagle needs to have that kind of vision to be able to catch its pray. Through the means of natural selection (a sort of "sink or swim" system) the eagle's eyes develop over the centuries to be able to do the things they can now.

They have actually found Noah's ark in the Mongolian mountains.

And it's definitely Noah's, is it?

[Pixels]

Well, an eagle needs to have that kind of vision to be able to catch its pray. Through the means of natural selection (a sort of "sink or swim" system) the eagle's eyes develop over the centuries to be able to do the things they can now.

"Develop over centuries"
You know the body of a living thing, needs EVERY single part, to be able to work. An ear doesn't work when it's missing properties.
So how can something slowly evolve? It's almost as ridiculous as the earth being 5 billion years old, or whatever it's said to be.

Why is it the Eagle has that specialty about it? Why can't we zoom? Because we weren't made that way. Why are there still monkey's around? If we evolved from them, then what... Some monkeys stayed monkeys and others evolved? Random monkeys just evolved? It all doesn't make sense to me. But that's because how I see it :P

And it's definitely Noah's, is it

Because it has dimentions in height, length, width described in the bible. It has been viewed and the dimensions are the same as described.

[Alex]

"Develop over centuries"
You know the body of a living thing, needs EVERY single part, to be able to work. An ear doesn't work when it's missing properties.
So how can something slowly evolve? It's almost as ridiculous as the earth being 5 billion years old, or whatever it's said to be.

Why is it the Eagle has that specialty about it? Why can't we zoom? Because we weren't made that way. Why are there still monkey's around? If we evolved from them, then what... Some monkeys stayed monkeys and others evolved? Random monkeys just evolved? It all doesn't make sense to me. But that's because how I see it :P


Because it has dimentions in height, length, width described in the bible. It has been viewed and the dimensions are the same as described.

I can answer that question of natural selection. You see we're not exactly evolved from the that specific monkey species. I'm not going to go into detail as it is completely pointless if you don't know about the "Homo Genus" thing. But basically the origins of humans were a form of primate. And I suppose normal monkeys you'd see in a Zoo don't need to carry on evolving due to natural selection, they don't need to elvolve anymore because they can do the things they need to do. We don't evolve because we don't need to, having a zoomed vision is unecessary for us. So instead of evolving we invent things to aid us, for example the car. Used to move around, far more quicker than running and walking.

[Kitteh]

Basically what Alex said, but I wanna go a bit more into detail.

You know the body of a living thing, needs EVERY single part, to be able to work. An ear doesn't work when it's missing properties.
So how can something slowly evolve?

It starts out as a very simple being. Something that lives in water. Over the years, it develops certain parts that help it to survive better, to avoid being preyed upon. Of course the ear doesn't work when it's missing properties, and that's why it evolves so that the ear doesn't have missing properties.

Why can't we zoom? Because we weren't made that way.

I believe that we can't zoom because we don't need to. It's not necessary for us to zoom, we have perfectly good eyesight and hearing to avoid being lunch as much as possible. We don't fly hundreds of feet above the ground, so we don't need to be able to see a field mouse from a kilometre away.

Random monkeys just evolved?

No, the word random is not one to use while describing evolution. Monkeys, as you put it, are a completely different species to us. They evolved as much as they needed to. If one species is more intelligent, then it will start doing things that will cause the need for it to evolve. If a monkey doesn't do those things, then it doesn't need to develop the same characteristics.

Because it has dimentions in height, length, width described in the bible. It has been viewed and the dimensions are the same as described.

The Bible being true to every word isn't the only explanation of a large arc being found.
There are others:
Coincidence (not the most likely)
Conventional dimensions
Someone attempting to re-create Noah's arc (if you are highly religiously fanatic, this is something you might just do.)

I would also like to make it clear at this point that I am not a discriminative person, I don't hate anyone for their beliefs and I would like to keep this a friendly debate, to avoid gaining enemies. So if you don't want to debate anymore about the existence of God, then we can just agree to disagree.

[Pixels]

Lol I'm not fanatical about it. I don't go to church.. (I did when I was very young) I just choose to have that belief.

It starts out as a very simple being. Something that lives in water. Over the years, it develops certain parts that help it to survive better, to avoid being preyed upon. Of course the ear doesn't work when it's missing properties, and that's why it evolves so that the ear doesn't have missing properties.

If the ear doesn't have every property in it, then it isn't working. The species can't hear. If it's feet is changing, "slowly over millions of years" how is it walking if it's foot is changing shape, if it goes from 4 toes to 5 toes. Without a Big toe, you have no balance, you can't walk.
How the hell can you be partially developed and still be living? When an animal gave birth, it continued on it's sibling's evolution to it's species? I'm pretty sure that if a deaf couple has a baby. It's not going to be deaf, it has a more than regular chance of being deaf or disabled for that fact, but won't 100% be disabled...

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I'll explain myself more as to what I'm trying to say about monkeys evolving.
I don't mean the type of monkey evolving. Or lets just say specie. I mean that INDIVIDUAL specie evolving. Why was that one individual specie, out of what ever the hell the population was for that specie, just evolve and no other one did. Then all of a sudden the long-lost specie doesn't exist anymore and evolved into whatever modern creature it is today...
Or did more than one of the same specie/breed evolve? They all evolved at the same rate? In the same way, just coincidentally evolving into the same thing....

The Bible being true to every word isn't the only explanation of a large arc being found.
There are others:
Coincidence (not the most likely)
Conventional dimensions
Someone attempting to re-create Noah's arc (if you are highly religiously fanatic, this is something you might just do.)

Lol if you saw the dimensions of it, I'm pretty sure no one would be bothered building it...

Comment someone posted on a youtube vid:
@magick205 ....Look at it this way.....if Texoki and I are wrong....no harm done. If on the other hand you are wrong....and the whole bible is truthful...you would have a lot to answer for...wouldn't you? Question your real motive.

Also I know evolutionists believe in some kind of asteroid hitting the earth
How could an asteroid hit the earth, destroy the dinosaurs and other creatures, and globally destroyed everything. It must have been a pretty big asteroid. But of course if it was that big. The earth would be no more... And suprisingly it "selectivly" destroyed things. Very strange...

[Kitteh]

I'll explain myself more as to what I'm trying to say about monkeys evolving.
I don't mean the type of monkey evolving. Or lets just say specie. I mean that INDIVIDUAL specie evolving. Why was that one individual specie, out of what ever the hell the population was for that specie, just evolve and no other one did. Then all of a sudden the long-lost specie doesn't exist anymore and evolved into whatever modern creature it is today...
Or did more than one of the same specie/breed evolve? They all evolved at the same rate? In the same way, just coincidentally evolving into the same thing....

Basically, that's how it happened. Remember about "sink or swim". Those that don't evolve the same die, so not all of them evolved. But if a few evolve, and then they breed with others that have evolved... think about it, they could make a hell of a lot of evolved babies in that time.

Lol if you saw the dimensions of it, I'm pretty sure no one would be bothered building it...

I'm sure somebody would.
Also, I looked this up, and a lot of evidence points towards it being a hoax For instance, one of the main reasons they believe it to be a boat is the "drogue stones" they have found. These "drogue stones", however, appear to have crosses on. And if this boat was created when the bible says it was, then why are there crossed printed on the drogue stones?
Also, the boat was found on mount Ararat, which is where the Qu'ran describes it to rest. So if this is Noah's Ark, then it proves that at least some of the Bible is wrong.

Also, I think I underestimated you Ice Cream, you've picked the hardest arguments. Do you have any others?